#Microsoft : "We <3 Open Source"
Also Microsoft : Open Source Browsers are slower and don't do enough about safety.
Microsoft ingests open code, co-opts FOSS goodwill, and spreads FUD about massive FOSS codebases.
@xj9 I'm not under any impression that they're obliged to be nice.
I agree the web is a dumpster fire. Does that mean misinformation from massive conglomerates should go unchallenged? Or that speaking up about their backhanded tactics is futile?
I think perhaps cedeing the giants on this front and confronting their FUDtastic bullshit are not mutually exclusive, and in fact might illustrate why our attentions should be elsewhere as you've said.
I don't purport to know that the majority of internet users even understand that there's an option beyond Chrome, FF, and Edge, so criticism of Edge speaks to a majority I believe.
To put it another way: Pointing out MS's bad behaviour is not an explicit endorsement of the current web.
Is there a way we can criticise and expose these tactics in the current arena with a focus on easily identifying them as they make their way to the new platforms?
@xj9 @seasharp Well. We've built i2p. And for all intends and purposes, it's good. It's pure FOSS, it's so secure literally nobody will find you unless you explicitly tell them where to. Basically, hacker's paradise.
And it's not that it's vary hard to use either (except for may be DNS issue, but I'm sure we can make something more clever than registrars with different address books)
Still, I see no one going crazy about using it. Why is that?
We're stuck with Web, for better or for worse. It's where our friends and family are. Ever tried to make your closest ones to use a super-cool FOSS messaging app you use? Now extrapolate this problem to the whole Internet, and you'll see what you're getting yourself into.
Because network, as a communication tool, means exactly nothing without its users.
We gotta fight for the Web, and take it back or else everything is probably fucked.
Anyway, it's not the question of implementation. It's the question of "who's gonna, beside you, use the stuff you've implemented". A network nobody uses is useless. Making your own internet with blackjack and hookers won't solve anything, unless everyone hops over. Which is hardly gonna happen.
There is some research into this, which, if successful, very hopefully will get into Peertube's codebase, that would be awesome.
I know webtorrent, and I mentioned it.
@xj9 @seasharp @jeff Well, it's good in academic sense, I guess. In practice it's nowhere near as useful for an average consumer as any given Linux desktop.
Are you bad enough to turn seL4 into a usable consumer-grade OS (which would mean not only porting the apps, but also device drivers - of which there's a ton) along with rewriting the Internet into your fancy Named Data thing?
I mean, isn't it kinda a lot to ask for? We don't live in a perfect world, and really, we don't have to. There's a "rule of good enough". Linux desktop meets the requirements while being reasonably unbloated. What's inside - nobody cares a whole lot, as long as it performs well enough and breaks rarely enough. Sad but true.
Not to detail the serious and important conversation about the open internet, but... This is not appearing on everyone's desktops, it's appearing in the developer preview. The bell weather, testing, developer version.
This is exactly the right time to make a stink, so upper management hears, removes it, and disciplines the right person.
@seasharp “Please, understand: other browsers can’t be so much integrated with the inner gears of Windows than Edge and IE are. So, for a better browsing experience (and since IE is obsolete, but we keep it just because Windows still relies too much on it; we were very stupid to merge Explorer.exe and Iexplore.exe in Windows 98!), Edge is the only really safe way!”
If Edge was so perfect, why did they not make it available for other OSes, like they did with Visual Studio Code?
Linux Geeks doing what Linux Geeks do..