@pallgone One of the biggest problems these complaints about ReCaptcha have is that most of them are not constructive.
If you want someone to replace Google's captcha service from their web page, try to provide them an alternative that achieves (almost) the same without being a Google service.
Simply because from a technical and financial perspective most alternatives are either expensive or not efficient.
And expensive for most private web pages often means everything is not gratis.
@deejoe against brute forcing auth there other methods, it's not even needed for that. it is out of sheer laziness they use these captchas: they don't give a shit about their users (because if they did, they would clearly *not* use those captchas). companies who don't give a shit about the people that use their website deserve to die @blocknonip @sheogorath
Well, captchas try solve a problem. Preventing bots from abusing a service. That's definitely a valid use case. The alternative is dropping suspicious traffic completely.
For example, your, for sure 😉, "best friends" at Cloudflare decided to implement captchas instead of simply dropping traffic. Because captchas are cheap, efficent and just work.
I'm not sure if you would prefer it when these pages simply drop tor-exit traffic completely.
@sheogorath all of that, and most except from googles are not screen reader friendly and don’t let blind users in.
@pallgone i never want to teach a computer anything ever again
Honest question. How would you ortherwise address the issue solved by capchas?
@Argus using simple questions which are made by humans and changed regularly so robots cannot be trained
@pallgone @Argus That does not scale even slightly. Doesn’t work either because you only need to answer every question once and then add it to your database. It’s clear you were lucky so far and never had to deal with real abuse. CAPTCHs suck and are annoying, and AI is becoming ever closer to being able to solve them better than humans. But academia has not found a better solution yet.
@js @Argus google didn't require a phone number for any account I have made over the years and didn't have a captcha either. clearly captchas are for lazy admins who do not care about users. but hey, it's good because that's how you can know whom you should avoid, like #spotify (the bastards demand a captcha even to login) and #soundcloud
CAPTCHAs are against mass registrations by bots, which then send millions of spam mails.
So, either you have clearly not understood what real problems CAPTCHAs solve, are advocating for leaving your phone number everywhere or are advocating for more spam. Which is it?
Usually captchas are used to avoid spamming, like a brute force attack.
The correct way to avoid this is having login quotas in places. For example: you have daily 1000 logins, so you can put a quote of 1200 logins. Of course you can expand this a lot and make the algorithm decide the size. You also want a quota per-IP and so on.
There is lots of ways to avoid spam, its just that using captcha is much faster (and insecure).
I will go a step further and say that even if you use captchas you should have other security measures in places,because even captchas are not 100% secure.
That being said, if you value your business and your customers, the minimal thing you should do is have proper security measures in places. If you implemented proper security, the captcha simple becomes a small thing that can be ignored.
@pallgone why the heck is discord so popular?
@hirojin probably for the same reason people enjoy waiting in long lines at hipster shops: folly
The website has changed dramatically since the early days, but harmonycentral.com used to have a great way to prove you weren't a robot when posting reviews. You would have to solve a very simple word problem like "Larry has two guitars and Sheila has Three, how many total guitars do they have?" You would have to input the right answer to post your review. Also, beyond robots, it would weed out complete idiots that can't do math.
@cigarBGuitarEfx yeah, that's a neat way to do it. the captcha proponents are just too lazy and dumb to really look for alternatives. instead they prefer to annoy their own users 😖
@pallgone I despise captchas. The smaller and lighter ones where you have to enter a scrambled line of text is ok, but the fire hydrants and traffic lights are depressing.
@pallgone What are good alternatives to spam prevention.
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