The more I ask about nuclear plants, the less happy I am.

I feel like if I push on someone will eventually tell me they're running Norton antivirus.

@malin What version of Windows do they run? Server or desktop? Sooo many questions...

@voltist Various systems run various things. I've not heard of any running Windows - I'm mostly being tongue-in-cheek with the AV. Well... I hope it's just a joke.

1. It shouldn't be networked.
2. There's insufficient auditing of the complete shutdown chain, which requires that nearby water pumps and electricity plants are active. These are also networked, including INDIVIDUAL PUMPS, which themselves run on proprietary compilers.

@malin ohh I see. By networked do you also mean connected to the internet in anyway or a LAN network?

@Huggles This is where things get hazy. Plants certainly have a local network, and that sounds understandable - but still worrisome given that the nuclear attack on Iran was via USB.

One problem is that water pumps can have WAN access, and those water pumps are used to shut down a plant. How much faillover there is, I'm not sure, but the wider point is that the definition of 'the plant' should include everything which is necessary to shut down the plant safely.

@Huggles I don't know how connected things can get at max. At the very least, speaking with people involved in the industry has reminded me that the difference between having a LAN and WAN is a matter of degree - it all reaches the internet eventually, and comes from the internet in increments.

@malin @Huggles ipv6 network scoping is fun. Feels great having so much space.

What I don't get is 127.0/8 is all localhost. How is ::1 only localhost in ipv6? :: is equivalent of

And fe80::/58 is site-local all to itself. (Think am wrong on this)

@malin The fact that they run Windows makes them ~90% less secure.

AVs are one of the most useless programs on planet earth these days.
Most malware isn't using security holes anymore. But rely on the user to give them permissions (social engineering).

I prefer nuclear plants over coal plants though.

We should have done more research on nuclear power (instead of developing nukes :p)

@Ghosty @malin I don't know about any newer ones, but ones that are here aren't actually run by any modern computers. They use really old windows (nt4, 2000), but for monitoring purposes mostly.
And nuclear is *the cleanest* energy that we have. Mass hysteria only makes things worse.

@nesc @malin True. It is indeed very clean and should be used until we figured how we can use renewable energy as main energy source!

@Ghosty @malin The thing with renewable that it isn't that renewable when you look close enough. Energy is, but materials no.

@nesc @malin That's true.
We have the same problem with radio active materials too.
Recycling is also an important factor to look at!

@Ghosty @nesc @malin Have either of you heard about thorium power plants? It's terribly sad and frustrating. Thorium is better than uranium in literally every way. It's more abundant, easier to refine, can pretty much be reused until it's almost completely gone (leaving very little waste), It's waste is safer and easier to deal with, Meltdown proof thorium reactors are possible, if a meltdown did occur, it would be much less of a problem, and, it cannot be used to build nuclear bombs.

@OpenComputeDesign @Ghosty @nesc @malin

I thought they chose uranium reactors over thorium ones in early development due to some technical reasons. Thorium reactors are more difficult to build.

and also the latter reason you mentioned.

Not an expert on the topic in any way, just something I've heard during coffee conversations.

@tzycce @Ghosty @nesc @malin Neither am I, I just heard about it because youtube autoplayed some talks on it.

@tzycce @OpenComputeDesign @nesc @malin I thought they used uranium because they could use the waste for nukes.

@OpenComputeDesign @Ghosty @tzycce @nesc @malin you could use the waste either to make nuclear weapons, or, if it were legal you could use it in breeder reactors. However, someone decided we should make it illegal to have breeder reactors. Imagine that. We're the government, we're here to help. :)

@OpenComputeDesign @Absinthe @Ghosty @tzycce @nesc They may well be. Protesters have cited that nuclear bases are in breach of previous anti-nuclear agreements, though I assume counter-agreements have been made since then, or perhaps the law's been simply forgotten.

@OpenComputeDesign @Ghosty @nesc @malin "Thorium Cheaper than Coal" is FB group dedicated to it, Thorium and Molten Salt offer quite a bit of possibilities

@OpenComputeDesign @nesc @malin Yep. I know them! They seem awesome on the spec cheat. But sadly we are missing a ton of real life testing!

@nesc Just to be clear - I'm not dissing nuclear energy inherently.

However, I'd like to create mass hysteria about anything networked which controls things.

@malin People don't care, they don't even care about things that concern them immediately, nuclear plants as well may be in another universe for them.

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