The more I ask about nuclear plants, the less happy I am.
I feel like if I push on someone will eventually tell me they're running Norton antivirus.
@malin What version of Windows do they run? Server or desktop? Sooo many questions...
@voltist Various systems run various things. I've not heard of any running Windows - I'm mostly being tongue-in-cheek with the AV. Well... I hope it's just a joke.
@malin could you summarise some of the issues?
1. It shouldn't be networked.
2. There's insufficient auditing of the complete shutdown chain, which requires that nearby water pumps and electricity plants are active. These are also networked, including INDIVIDUAL PUMPS, which themselves run on proprietary compilers.
3. IT SHOULDN'T BE NETWORKED.
@malin ohh I see. By networked do you also mean connected to the internet in anyway or a LAN network?
@Huggles This is where things get hazy. Plants certainly have a local network, and that sounds understandable - but still worrisome given that the nuclear attack on Iran was via USB.
One problem is that water pumps can have WAN access, and those water pumps are used to shut down a plant. How much faillover there is, I'm not sure, but the wider point is that the definition of 'the plant' should include everything which is necessary to shut down the plant safely.
@Huggles I don't know how connected things can get at max. At the very least, speaking with people involved in the industry has reminded me that the difference between having a LAN and WAN is a matter of degree - it all reaches the internet eventually, and comes from the internet in increments.
@malin The fact that they run Windows makes them ~90% less secure.
AVs are one of the most useless programs on planet earth these days.
Most malware isn't using security holes anymore. But rely on the user to give them permissions (social engineering).
I prefer nuclear plants over coal plants though.
We should have done more research on nuclear power (instead of developing nukes :p)
@Ghosty @nesc @malin Have either of you heard about thorium power plants? It's terribly sad and frustrating. Thorium is better than uranium in literally every way. It's more abundant, easier to refine, can pretty much be reused until it's almost completely gone (leaving very little waste), It's waste is safer and easier to deal with, Meltdown proof thorium reactors are possible, if a meltdown did occur, it would be much less of a problem, and, it cannot be used to build nuclear bombs.
I thought they chose uranium reactors over thorium ones in early development due to some technical reasons. Thorium reactors are more difficult to build.
and also the latter reason you mentioned.
Not an expert on the topic in any way, just something I've heard during coffee conversations.
@nesc Just to be clear - I'm not dissing nuclear energy inherently.
However, I'd like to create mass hysteria about anything networked which controls things.
@malin People don't care, they don't even care about things that concern them immediately, nuclear plants as well may be in another universe for them.
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