My gf's learning html. Nobody told her that vim's a strange tool for genius programmers, so I just told her it was a normal tool, showed her insert and escape, then let her get on with it.
Half an hour later, I showed her another vim command.
Someone with almost zero education, who can't type properly, is programming in vim because nobody told her it was difficult. I know people who can program in Haskell who aren't sure if they can do vim.
@malin yea, but can she ever exit :)
I love vim, but some days I love emacs.... and then others I hate Eclipse but I use it anyway... thank goodness for Vrapper
this reply goes against the entire ethos of your entire post, sorry this is a joke
@malin this doesn't help me exit out of vim on my raspberry pi 1, please help
@malin I found an interactive vim tutorial online the other day and was messing around in it and I was like "Wait what's so hard about this?" It even tells you how to quit, how is that such a big joke?
Honestly I was a little disappointed when it was just a text editor with kinda weird controls, I expected much worse =P
@malin the reason I know vi today is because I just learned it as a teenager before people on the internet told me it's difficult.
(And I guess 80's DOS software already prepared me for this kind of UI, in a way)
@malin sounds like she is hooked. Have you got her using tmux or screen too?
@BradleySmall Nah. I have a single education tactic for myself and the world - never learn anything, only gather tools to solve problems.
I only know tmux because I had a problem and that was the fix. The only thing in computing I've had to 'study' is Microsoft, because it's never the right tool for a job.
@malin I started on MSDOS 3.3 and worked my way through all the Windows and OS/2. I made Penthouse over 400k on a program that I wrote for DOS with SVGA that they gave away for free. Even for Porn, sometimes M$ can be the right tool for the job
@malin I'm so invested in this. All they taught us was how to exit vim if you accidentally open it
@malin most people who say vim is hard are either vim users who like feeling special, or people who believed them but never genuinely tried to learn it
same applies to a lot of tech skills, whenever the privileged try to justify their privilege because they had the time, energy and encouragement to learn them
imagine the uproar if people were told that 90%+ of tech jobs don't require any special abilities and most people could quickly learn to do them with some basic training
re: tech, privilege
@malin The placebo effect is wild.
@malin I think another reason people have so much trouble with vim is no one tells them to print out the user guide and consult it
@malin they teach some of my college classes in vim
@malin on the other hand, I used vim without knowing what it was at all, and I could neither edit anything nor escape from it for 20 minutes.
biggest problem I had when I first ran vim was how to quit
@malin I’ve never heard of vim. This is very interesting. It’s also a very inspirational story.
@malin I feel this way about parallelism.
As long as you told her to "write and quit" as opposed to "save and exit," everything should be golden 😎
i dont like vim because i grew up with windows notepad....and later on notepad++
@malin vim is confusing, i prefer using sublime text because i use the mouse a lot
@malin *rms disliked this*
For real tho, I picked up vim in about a week and I had a friend switch to vim from nano and he had it down within the afternoon. Now you just need to gradually introduce the time saving concepts that makes vim "the editor running at the speed of thought"
@malin That is how I got into Vim
@malin I'm just too lazy to learn vim
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