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I'm disappointed to see that Manjaro advocates proprietary software over libre software, especially when we have perfectly fine options that works great already.

forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelh

@hund I was really saddened by that as well.

On the bright side, it pushed me to learn to install proper and after some tribulation got it going for the first time. Love it so far.

@kezzbracey
What got me away from Manjaro and to Arch was the not working LVM on LUKS setup. Until then I was happy with Manjaro.

Didn't like this FreeOffice thing, too, but I mean, they have a Steam starter in the menu by default, soo...

Am happy to got myself to install #Arch and it just runs fine (until now).

But it's still a good distro, I think...

@hund

@jeybe @hund Yeah I agree it's still a good distro. Functionally it's been the best I've used. Despite not liking the FreeOffice thing I just installed it on a Surface Go for someone because I knew it would work very well there where other distros haven't.

Ultimately though, this was just a prompt for me to build on my ability to control my own setup. I really like the feeling of knowing just where everything is, piece by piece.

@kezzbracey
Can sign on the last paragraph 1:1, although I don't really know where every piece is just by using Arch. At least, I know much more.
@hund

@jeybe @hund Yeah, *every* piece is an exaggeration, but especially compared to Windows I feel like that scene from Castaway where he lit a fire for the first time.

"Me, ME!! I have created Linux!!"

@hund ouch! Any recommendation for an easy Manjaro-like Arch based distro? I sometimes need it for compatibility testing

@michel_slm @hund theres arco and chakra which i believe both have simple installs, arco is xfce by default i think

i dont know how much they deviate from arch though

@burek @hund could be a plus, though sadly I do need to test on systemd. Might play with it for personal use though, thanks

@michel_slm I've heard a lot of good things about the spiritual successor to Antergos called Endeavour OS.

Me personally would recommend Artix Linux, it's a fork of Arch Linux with either OpenRC or runit.

@hund Endeavour could be what I'm looking for (esp once they offer desktop choice). I just need a quick and easy way to get an Arch system installed and that sounds perfect. Thanks!

@hund

Is this something that is bound to happen with the lagrest distros?

In some regards I don't mind if it means linux will be used more by people.

But I'll probably switch distro because of this

@ChrisTalleras @hund
I definitely see this as a bad move. Its just unnecessary and shows that their priorities are not in the right place. I don't use Manjaro but I will certainly never suggest it to anyone now.

@ChrisTalleras This is not the way I want more users to Linux.

If you want something similar I would recommend Artix Linux.it's based on Arch, but with either OpenRC or runit as the init system.

@hund well that's my cue to switch back to alpine linux. hopefully the flatpak situation is at a point where i can run glibc stuff fairly easily. if not, i can do something with lxc i suppose.

@hund Agree. Kind of surprising. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with LibreOffice.

@hund i personally don't like anything to be proprietary but i also don't use parabola over arch even though i think it's a very cool project b/c i may need proprietary firmware for an imperfect/older machine. So, every user has to draw their own lines over time. One thing that bothers me is when people shill for these proprietary software vendors or allow then to "weasel their way in" under false pretenses. One example in this case is that Freeoffice is using the word "free" in the proprietary/"freeware" sense which just makes it more difficult for new gnu+linux users to understand what is going on with all of that, or may cause them to be tricked into thinking it's trustworthy (aka F/LOSS). Any official promotion, setting it as default ,or not marking it as proprietary everywhere it's listed/stored (separate repo) is also abhorrent to me, b/c it takes advantage of the ignorance (or lack of time) of the user and gives these companies legitimacy. These companies take market $ away from potential/existing FLOSS solutions and weaken the integrity of the platform/ecosystem. People should be safe from being abused when using a gnu+Linux distro without having to check every little thing because free and non free are all mixed up and unlabeled. It's like allowing Oxycontin on the vitamin isle next to the Curcumin, letting them call it NutriEase and then saying you're just trying to give people more choices and better results. That may be fine-ish if it's an open air market in a dusty alley, but not so fine in the pricey all natural vitamin shop. Or just make it really clear that your distro will mix Free and non free, prioritize supposed "features" (like compat with other closed stuff), and promote as you see fit, and people who don't accept that can vote with their feet. Maybe Manjaro is clear about that, IDK. i noticed some of this proprietary friendliness (and other issues) years ago and have steered clear since so i am out of the Manjaro loop.
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