I'm disappointed to see that Manjaro advocates proprietary software over libre software, especially when we have perfectly fine options that works great already.


@hund ouch! Any recommendation for an easy Manjaro-like Arch based distro? I sometimes need it for compatibility testing

@burek @hund could be a plus, though sadly I do need to test on systemd. Might play with it for personal use though, thanks

@michel_slm I've heard a lot of good things about the spiritual successor to Antergos called Endeavour OS.

Me personally would recommend Artix Linux, it's a fork of Arch Linux with either OpenRC or runit.

@hund Endeavour could be what I'm looking for (esp once they offer desktop choice). I just need a quick and easy way to get an Arch system installed and that sounds perfect. Thanks!


Is this something that is bound to happen with the lagrest distros?

In some regards I don't mind if it means linux will be used more by people.

But I'll probably switch distro because of this

@ChrisTalleras @hund
I definitely see this as a bad move. Its just unnecessary and shows that their priorities are not in the right place. I don't use Manjaro but I will certainly never suggest it to anyone now.

@ChrisTalleras This is not the way I want more users to Linux.

If you want something similar I would recommend Artix Linux.it's based on Arch, but with either OpenRC or runit as the init system.

@hund well that's my cue to switch back to alpine linux. hopefully the flatpak situation is at a point where i can run glibc stuff fairly easily. if not, i can do something with lxc i suppose.

@hund Agree. Kind of surprising. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with LibreOffice.

@hund i personally don't like anything to be proprietary but i also don't use parabola over arch even though i think it's a very cool project b/c i may need proprietary firmware for an imperfect/older machine. So, every user has to draw their own lines over time. One thing that bothers me is when people shill for these proprietary software vendors or allow then to "weasel their way in" under false pretenses. One example in this case is that Freeoffice is using the word "free" in the proprietary/"freeware" sense which just makes it more difficult for new gnu+linux users to understand what is going on with all of that, or may cause them to be tricked into thinking it's trustworthy (aka F/LOSS). Any official promotion, setting it as default ,or not marking it as proprietary everywhere it's listed/stored (separate repo) is also abhorrent to me, b/c it takes advantage of the ignorance (or lack of time) of the user and gives these companies legitimacy. These companies take market $ away from potential/existing FLOSS solutions and weaken the integrity of the platform/ecosystem. People should be safe from being abused when using a gnu+Linux distro without having to check every little thing because free and non free are all mixed up and unlabeled. It's like allowing Oxycontin on the vitamin isle next to the Curcumin, letting them call it NutriEase and then saying you're just trying to give people more choices and better results. That may be fine-ish if it's an open air market in a dusty alley, but not so fine in the pricey all natural vitamin shop. Or just make it really clear that your distro will mix Free and non free, prioritize supposed "features" (like compat with other closed stuff), and promote as you see fit, and people who don't accept that can vote with their feet. Maybe Manjaro is clear about that, IDK. i noticed some of this proprietary friendliness (and other issues) years ago and have steered clear since so i am out of the Manjaro loop.
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