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elementaryos rant, sorry 

So, @elementary Juno was released yesterday but there is no mention anywhere in the release announcement or installation guide about how to update from eOS Loki. Googling around brought up an github issue about this from March 2017. Apparently there's a $25 bounty on this, lol.

On reddit someone wrote you have to re-install the whole OS but I swear if they make me do this I'm gonna distro-hop right away.

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@gka Wait what? You can't just do an in-situ upgrade?

So much for being Ubuntu (and Debian) based.

Then again even Mint took a hell of a long time to get that right. No idea why...

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@matt I was kind of expecting the great all-new AppCenter to just open up and say "click here to upgrade to Juno" but nope.

the install guide (elementary.io/docs/installatio) says nothing about upgrading Loki.

so it looks like I can just read about all the nice new features that I have no easy way to install. or maybe they're working on it and I just have to wait?

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@gka @elementary Yes, you will have to do a fresh install.

There is no drama to it. Really.

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@Linux @elementary interesting. I'm new to linux, eOS loki was my first serious attempt on using it. one of the reasons I switched from macOS was that with each OS upgrade half of my system was broken and I had to re-install and configure most of it.

so you're saying this is normal in the linux world? does "fresh install" mean I have to reinstall all apps? redo my whole setup? or is there a way not to spend 2 days on this?

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@gka @elementary No. This is a one distribution and the way they operate.

Many like the aesthetics and the vision of eOS, so, willing to go with it.

I'm pretty sure that eOS is not the Linux distro for you. You may want to check out something from the rolling release side.

macOS fan? Try a rolling release distro of Solus!

Rolling release means: install once, every update takes you to the very latest version.

For total stability though, there are likes of Debian.

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@Linux @elementary ah, got it. on my work laptop I already switched to Ubuntu Budgie, and I really like Budgie.

have to read more about Solus. think I was a bit afraid of not being able to apt install anymore. I assume eopkg is not compatible with .deb packages?

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@gka @elementary It's not.

Solus assumes you do not use the terminal for everyday simple things, if at all.

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@Linux @elementary but, going back to the drama question, I still think it's a bit strange for a distro that is sort of advertising itself to Linux newbies ("replacement for Windows and macOS") to just ignore users of the last release in the announcement. they could just tell me what to do to upgrade, even if it's a fresh install. or not?

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@gka @elementary eOS is simple for newbies. Straight-forward and not to be effed up by customization.

One installs all from the AppCenter. eOS does not encourage terminal usage.

It is true: apps such as Skype and Spotify are NOT available by default in elementary OS.

There should be a proprietary section for such things separately in the AppCenter, IMO.

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@gka @elementary I get a certain picture, that Linux Manjaro would quite likely suit you!

elementaryos rant, sorry 

@gka @elementary

Manjaro is Arch based but much more newcomer friendly. Installation, default applications etc. Putting up proprietary drivers is a breeze.

Manjaro also holds back packages for some time for added stability; on Manjaro, against pretty common opinion, it's not a bad thing to "hold back" some.

By holding back releases a bit, any immediate issues like a typo that prevents the DE from working are avoided.

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@Linux thanks! will check it out at some point. from what I see there's a community version that comes with the Budgie desktop pre-installed, so that looks good already :)

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@gka I can't speak for Elementary, but Ubuntu proper does not rely on the CLI to upgrade major versions, and Ubuntu (and Debian) do not require you to reinstall your OS with every upgrade.

Some people do it out of habit, to clear out the cruff.

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