@subins2000 This is a lot more complex since the text box will depend on your server and you will need to log into your account.

@carl
you can do this without javascript by loading in data folder and using it in publication.
If you rebuild you website once a day, it does the work.
@subins2000

@jibec @carl @subins2000 can you explain this? thanks

@fluffy @subins2000 @jibec Basically the idea from Jean-Baptiste is to use Hugo capability to load a json to render the comments statically. It's a nice idea but then you need to setup a corn job building the website hourly or daily.

@carl @subins2000 @jibec thanks, i have been meaning to set something like this up and it will be helpful!

@fluffy
here is the code, look at the python script.
https://github.com/languages-in-floss/site
what deacribed carl is correct.
My implementation is quite minimalist (as a non dev, it took me quite some time to understand it from a javascript implementation)
yes, i have a daily script running. Making it faster isn't really needed for my usecase, anyway, the build script takes a few second, no big deal
@subins2000 @carl

@jibec @carl @subins2000 this is so damn neat I am now tempted to add comments to a static site I am building. Thank you for this!

@binyamin Thanks and using webmentions is also nice :)

@binyamin @carl same. Using Webmentions as well. 3rd party or own endpoint are up to the website - and this is NICE.

…and brid.gy is **awesome** :D

@vincentxavier Merci :)

@en Probably the API is almost the same.

@torresjrjr It should be also possible to render the comments at build time but then I would have to add a cron job to rebuild my website every hour :)

@davidak if I'm understanding this correctly this is essentially how Staticman does comments: https://github.com/eduardoboucas/staticman

@carl I like your fediverse implementation, great work. It should cut down on anonymous spam. I think a Reply/Add comment button (not a text field) next to the Load button would be nice and it can link to: https://linuxrocks.online/interact/105463655803971969?type=reply
Thoughts?

@shom @davidak Good idea about the interactive link. I added it to my blog :)

@carl replied with the reply button workflow, it works. Nice!
@davidak

@shom @davidak @carl Thanks for sharing your solution, Carl!

@davidak @carl interesting point. Never thought about archives when adding content with JavaScript. At least archive.org has some content loaded as Javascript still archived. Also this blog post works there, loading the content from the archive domain. But maybe not all of it.

@apetresc yes :) I just need to be quick so that nobody notice :)

@mikael @carl as i understand it it's still a 3rd-party service where the comments are loaded from, that you host yourself

and unlike isso or commento it's written in PHP, which is known for having massive security issues (look at number of CVEs). you use a static page because you don't want PHP on the server! else you could just use Wordpress which has comments

https://posativ.org/isso/
https://commento.io/

all this is not really a solution

@davidak @carl I wouldn't go as far as calling it a 3rd party service? It's software which is part of the blog stack and running on the same server. PHP is dead simple and works anywhere™️. I love it. Security-wise it's probably fine, we're not exactly talking about banking.

@davidak @carl

Commento seems to require a full fledged PostgreSQL installation. Regarding Isso I think the documentation puts it well: "If you think hosting a web application written in Python is as easy as one written in PHP, you are wrong."

PHP and flat file data storage ftw.

@mikael @davidak PHP is not the problem, I use PHP in a lot of websites and when using modern best practice, the language is fine :) The goal when using a static site generator is usually to have a website that is fast and easy to maintain. No database to configure, easy backup, easy apache config, ...

@carl @davidak I'm basically with you, but flat file data storage + PHP pretty much gives you that: no db to configure, easy backup.

Something like https://commentpara.de/ might be a good alternative to your 3rd Mastodon solution too?

@mikael @carl why not use wordpress then? it's very user friendly and has a huge ecosystem

a perfect comment solution would serve the comments in the same http request as the content. then it can be archived. wordpress does it serverside, so it's given there. it's not with comment services that load the comments with JS

and because i try to have a perfect solution, i don't have comments for some years now and don't write blog post i want to get feedback on. so power to your pragmatic solutions

@davidak @carl WordPress is nice in theory, but I've had enough problems with migrating WP databases. Hugo is so nice to work with.

@davidak @carl

> a perfect comment solution would serve the comments in the same http request as the content.

Yeah, that would be very nice! Sometimes the perfect solution doesn't exist. Sacrificing comments is an unlucky outcome. Hashover or one of those third party Webmention services seems OK. Even better would be being able to self host a webmention service. Something like this: https://github.com/mapkyca/pingback2hook (but more up to date). Does it exist?

@davidak @carl Oh, it does: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io

But stupid simple with PHP would be preferred. 😀

@mikael @carl there exist many small projects, but nothing outstanding. most incomplete or abandoned

i collected some links here: https://codeberg.org/davidak/webseite/issues/7#issuecomment-63328

@davidak @carl Rad collection! More specifically I was referring to a self hosted webmention service so that you don't have to rely on something like https://commentpara.de/ or https://webmention.io/

@mikael @davidak @carl I already have a mailing list for my website (link in profile) that’s linked at the bottom of every post, but I’m thinking about setting up webmentiond by @zerok to forward Webmentions to the list.

Mailing lists allow anyone to participate without setting up an account, and email isn’t web-based; the latter is quite attractive to members of the Gemini and Gopher spaces.

@fluffy This should be easy using the Intersection Observer API: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Intersection_Observer_API

@fluffy @carl you could pair the comment loader with an IntersectionObserver

@fluffy @carl so basically, attach an observer to the target element, then load comments in the observer callback.

@ColinTheMathmo @carl Same story here:

@rennerocha Yeah, it works fine on a website getting a few comments sometimes. I honestly didn't expect to get so many comments for this toot. :)

@carl but it is something very very nice! Certainly it can be improved in a way to be useful or used in a different (and similar) context!