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I am still on Windows.

Honestly, it seems more doable than I thought. You have to know how to get rid of some stuff though.

Sure, I might hop back to Linux, but I have to give this chance. Learn a bit of everything. Look at both sides.

I will likely stay on Windows a while, because my GPU drivers aren't great on Linux.

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@RMW Interesting :blobcatthink:
One of the main arguments I hear for linux are that the open source drivers that work best on linux are way better and allow for way more performance than the propietary ones who artificially restrict the performance for capitalist reasons

or do you have NVIDIA gpus? In that case bad luck, because NVIDIA does its best to prevent open source drivers from working properly
AMD gpus are waayyyyyyyyyyy better on linux

^ this is what @khaosgrille explained to me so all I've said was stealing his words, I don't really have own knowledge about this topic

@isi @khaosgrille Yes, NVIDIA and that is likely the problem.

My GPU is a Quadro and uhm, in general I am not too happy with it.

It seems not that great even though this laptop was for 3D-modeling, according to the company which my dad got it from. (I don't get to choose my own laptop, because this is cheaper.)

@isi @khaosgrille but hey, the thing works, I guess.

I am not just complaining. There are worse problems out there. I am happy with what I have.

@RMW @khaosgrille :blobcatnotlike: that sounds awful!!! wtf
it's really stupid to be kinda forced into windows just because it's NVIDIA

@isi @khaosgrille Well, ehm. Yeah, but also it is just because I want to try to 3D model things.

I don't need a great GPU for other things. I just moved to play with 3D modeling.

@RMW

what distro did you use btw? I've had weird issues on Ubuntu with my Nvidia cards (e. g. randomly resetting contrast settings), but none on fedora.

You could also always pass through your quadro to a Windows vm and use Linux on the host with a cheap throwaway GPU or igpu.

@toyha I have used many distros. My favorite so far, is probably Arch.

I have spend the most time with Debian/Devuan and Arch. Other distros were usually things I ran on my old laptop.

My old laptop runs GuixSD, but I almost never use it. That laptop is a bit old.

Passthrough wasn't an option for this GPU. I have tried that. It does not work for my laptop.

Anyway, my old laptop isn't in a good enough state, to use for much actually work.

It is good enough for trying stuff out though.

@RMW oh I've skipped that it was a laptop somehow, yeah laptop pass through is usually near impossible, unless there's clearly separated igpu and dgpu on-board.

What a wild ride of distros though - arch was working just fine with Nvidia drivers for me, but again, haven't owned a quadro and they are known for some odd behavior sadly.

Truly unfortunate gotta say, windows is fine really, but it just can make one feel uncomfortable compared to less tracking and weird feature defaults you never asked for. (automatically connecting OneDrive, syncing your desktop files,synced clipboard and application history,..)

@toyha Oh, I have ran some powershell scripts to make Windows a bit better.

It is doable, with the right tools, but I still find some things which Windows does very messy.

Also ehm, they still use many superold things, like NTFS as a filesystem.

@RMW Alternatively you used to be able to just install LTSC which was missing most of that tracking behavior the PowerShell scripts try to eliminate, but a lot of programs and games now detect ltsc and won't boot up sadly.

In terms of messy: development on Windows can also be incredibly awkward if it's not .net or portable languages.

WSL2 is a huge leap forward, supporting docker now natively, but then you can't watch for file changes outside the WSL folder to reload e. g. your browser or build previews while you are changing things.

Win7 felt much less intrusive than 10, but they changed their model entirely.

@toyha Windows had to do something. They can't stay in the past.

They will likely do something with Linux, but obviously care about moneys.

I use chocolatey on windows and autohotkey. It helps to give me my usual kind of workflow.

The windows terminal is actually not too bad either. Windows seems to finally try to add some very wanted features.

I don't think that it is a bad thing. Give more people the good tools. (package management and some cool commandline stuff)

@RMW

Post gates microsoft has positively invested into open-source it seems, even if for getting a foothold into the community via github buyout, vscode to dominate the editor market (even inside facebook, as recently demonstrated by their co-operation for remote workspace extensions iirc)
and more, instead of "doing good for the developer community".

Windows terminal has been indeed pretty handy and featureful, allowing for easy multi-WSL2 setups, each as a sort of "pet-container" for development and what not.

> package management

well.. that was a sort of initial scummy move, where they promised a position to the original and dominant package manager "appget" developer to go work at microsoft and buy it out.

Then ditched and ghosted him, re-implemented it themselves, copying all parts and slapping the logo on it, only after bunch of yell outs from the community and news outlets picking up on it - they did "something" to iron it out.

- https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/2/21277863/microsoft-winget-windows-package-manager-appget-response-credit-comment
- https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287

@toyha Oh, I found winget incomplete anyways. I use Chocolatey. It just currently seems like the best tool for the job.

It probably would be a better idea to buy that for Microsoft.

At least Microsoft is starting to see that they are falling behind with somethings, that they need stuff like that.

It does not surprise me that they get some things in such a way. Huge companies usually have many flaws.

@toyha Appget seems like the better of the two, but Chocolatey was just there already.

The idea of appget seems better though.

@RMW overall I feel all windows package repos are still extremely niche, it was basically never intended to be like this, so most still just scatter their installers all over the internet, there isn't a single way to-date to just have a single file that can install all your programs you may need (unless you hoard msi files and batch install them) - that's basically the future that would be amazing, but extremely difficult to achieve after so many decades worth of exe and msi in the world wide chaos.

We now have chocolatey, ninite, appget,.. and all have a fraction the others don't have, another issue by basically having no single source of truth for all of them, forcing you to use multiple if you do want to support that early adopter niche today.

Worth mentioning too that most of those are not first party integrations, meaning it's a third party that keeps those repos up to date, it's not the developers publishing it automatically to those right after they've built a new update.

@isi @khaosgrille @RMW I remember switching from the proprietary AMD drivers to the open source ones back around 2015 I think, and the difference on Linux was night and day. I think the amdgpu/FOSS driver is the only one now, with AMD contributing directly to it.

It's one of the reasons people are concerned over the nVidia/ARM deal. ARM is already garbage to get Linux working on, and nVidia doesn't have a good FOSS track record.

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