Are you against your public posts being saved in the Wayback Machine? (boosts appreciated)
@DashEquals its public. Kinda already assumed that. If that post is forever tied to this username then thats kinda what I expect on here. There are no privacy settings and no inner circles beside the specific instance you are on.
They were public posts then and they're public posts now. I don't get what the deal is
@spookcentral That's my perspective but a lot of people seem to disagree.
Now I remember how I stuck it out on some platforms long after I stopped liking them, on the principle that I wasn't *ashamed* of the stuff I posted regardless of the assholes who wanted me to be. At some point it hit me that nothing I said ever really got through, & it never would. So what was I obsessing about anyway? & then I hit delete and all that went "bye" unless some1 really *does* care enough to trawl Wayback... which many people can't do successfully anyway.
I feel like if someone goes and digs up some horrible crap I went along with in my 30s because they're still mad now, that says as much about their problems as it does mine. I mean, at least be mature enough to ask in private: *do you still believe this stuff*? before you drag it out in front of God and everybody. :/
@DashEquals you're making a distinction where there isnt one. people decide to walk out of their homes, thats active. and if I find someone following me around with a camera aimed at me I dont think anyone would blame me for for yelling at the person carrying the camera, no matter how many excuses they give me
@themorgangoats If you don't see the difference between being in public and posting something on social media, I don't think we'll have a productive conversation here.
@DashEquals and if you dont know what consent means then I dont think we will either
@themorgangoats And IMO, by posting something, you consent to other people seeing and saving it.
@DashEquals pal what you're doing is the digital equivalent of following people with a camera and being mad when they tell you to cut it out
@themorgangoats You could just post your stuff as "followers only" and we'd stop saving it.
@DashEquals you could hide behind a trashcan and i'd stop recordi- ow why did you punch my camera off my hand?
@themorgangoats So you're advocating for DoSing archive Archive Team? Or am I misunderstanding you.
@DashEquals you get very defensive when people object to having strangers record all they do online
@themorgangoats Yeah, because I think it's morally wrong to not be okay with your public posts being archived.
@DashEquals and I think its morally wrong to be mad just because im following strangers at the park with my camera, but they still get mad when I do that. weird how that works
I understand it's technologically possible for you to scrape posts and archive them. Unlike you I also understand that there's more to right & wrong than whether a thing is technically possible
@DashEquals being public doesn't mean it will stay public and easily accessible for even.
I can go in the street and ask people [some question], I'm doing it publicly, maybe they will remember it later, but that doesn't mean I want it to be recorded and available X years after.
For instance let's imagine I made a mistake, that I only recognize later, and regrets, and never act this way again.
That content might be use against me later, in a nasty way (for instance).
(NB: let's exclude any illegal or offensive content for this example, to keep it simple)
Maybe the people I ask will remember (maybe). Maybe someone else was here and remember. That's not the same as a camera recording all that stuff, with public access to the video.
@themorgangoats @spookcentral @DashEquals This. People are still entitled to expectations of privacy even "in public," which is foundational to things like ethics standards for behavioral research on people. For example, you might expect to be seen but not recorded. Ergo, researchers can't record people in public without permission, although they can people-watch and take general notes.
It seems to me that archiving public posts is exactly the same thing as recording people in public.
@jg Why are you against it?
@DashEquals fuck off
@uncletrunks You should use better ActivityPub software, then. Anyway, I'll make sure to add another vote to "yes" once the poll ends.
@uncletrunks I mean yeah, we obviously do disagree here.
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